tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32914592.post1291618115902910767..comments2024-02-21T14:18:09.212-08:00Comments on R World: Welcome Back to School! Here's Your Packet of Destructive ForcesRon Davisonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11972794876337195698noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32914592.post-37710066616902369262007-09-22T05:18:00.000-07:002007-09-22T05:18:00.000-07:00I believe in intrinsic motivation but that said, s...I believe in intrinsic motivation but that said, since achieving a goal almost always requires some sort of quid pro quo (for money/favors/etc..) with time I have become more OK with providing rewards.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09696925485730652458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32914592.post-19708658397304544932007-09-21T20:51:00.000-07:002007-09-21T20:51:00.000-07:00David,17 is not too late to get on track. I'd sugg...David,<BR/>17 is not too late to get on track. I'd suggest a number of resources besides Kohn: you might want to look at something like SuperCamp, for instance. Could be a better investment than college at this stage. And, yes, the Pentagon isn't all reason and light - Rumsfeld ran it for years.<BR/><BR/>cce,<BR/>yep - teenagers are generally more influenced by peers than authority figures - or at least as influenced. Need to reinforce the love of learning before those disruptive hormones kick in. Thanks for inspiring this post, and letting me vent on an important to me topic.<BR/><BR/>Dave,<BR/>You're a teacher? That explains, in part, the blog - the love of learning advances into a love of teaching in some. And I agree, love of learning is not a panacea, but it's a whole lot closer to it than what we have now. Glad you enjoyed the post, thanks.Ron Davisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11972794876337195698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32914592.post-87053740758808898852007-09-21T16:34:00.000-07:002007-09-21T16:34:00.000-07:00I'm not sure it's come up at my place, or in one o...I'm not sure it's come up at my place, or in one of my comments at your place; but, I have a degree in education, though long ago, and far away.<BR/><BR/>I love this post. My thought has always been that, regardless of the child, if you can instill a love of, I'm not sure which comes first, thinking and reading, you can't do much harm after that. The child is then internally motivated. This idea of course doesn't cover all kids in all situations; but, I think for most, it holds true.Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04411527807049220749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32914592.post-83724002097025585232007-09-21T15:55:00.000-07:002007-09-21T15:55:00.000-07:00Thanks for taking up the education torch today. As...Thanks for taking up the education torch today. As you know, it's on my mind. <BR/>I distinctly remember peers being bribed by their parents to get good grades. The rewards for not flunking trig ranged from brand new cars to a couple hundred dollars. While my parents didn't pay for grades, they did recognize that the peer group dictates what children will or won't achieve come middle school and beyond. They removed me from a school setting that was plagued by a pervasive perception that it just wasn't cool to be smart. Once in an academic setting where learning and curiosity were the norm not the exception, things began to turn around for me. I wonder if this "it's not cool to get good grades" thing is not the single most significant thing that prevents all children from just naturally doing their best. How does a thirteen year old find the bravery and foresight to swim upstream in a river of dullards and drunks?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32914592.post-41828469235144434562007-09-21T13:15:00.000-07:002007-09-21T13:15:00.000-07:00Post Script: I'd like to believe that about the Pe...Post Script: I'd like to believe that about the Pentagon but it's not true across the board.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11322233540154130798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32914592.post-68258373326207974502007-09-21T13:12:00.000-07:002007-09-21T13:12:00.000-07:00Gee Ron, now that I'm unemployed for all time I ca...Gee Ron, now that I'm unemployed for all time I can read your site every day and may actually learn something. Do I get an A? In the midst of my undergraduate turmoil days at UCLA a prof teaching Art Appreciation told us the first day of class, "Good, you're all here. If you come every day you get a B. If you listen and show interest you get an A. That's the last time I want to talk about grades." Need I say I learned more about art from him than I did about (fitb) from any number of conventional profs. Is it too late for me to read Kohn? How about my 17 year grandson who is bombing in school? He needs inspiration.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11322233540154130798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32914592.post-44728228910816833612007-09-21T12:42:00.000-07:002007-09-21T12:42:00.000-07:00Chesca (xSD),Exactly! Sandi is Montessori trained ...Chesca (xSD),<BR/>Exactly! Sandi is Montessori trained - something she did at Deming's recommendation to her.Ron Davisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11972794876337195698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32914592.post-46502408357932056312007-09-21T11:59:00.000-07:002007-09-21T11:59:00.000-07:00This sounds very much like an argument in support ...This sounds very much like an argument in support of the Maria Montessori Method of teaching,<BR/><BR/>She was always of the belief that a<BR/>teacher’s role is unobtrusive; and that children should actively participate in learning<BR/>(unlike CCE's G's teacher’s role as dominant and active; while the child is a passive participant)<BR/><BR/>Montessori encouraged children to teach, collaborate, and help each other<BR/>Learning was reinforced internally through child’s own repetition of activity, internal feelings of success and repetition<BR/><BR/>She was completely against<BR/>learning that was reinforced externally by rewards, discouragements.<BR/><BR/>She was definitely on to something.<BR/><BR/>~chescaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com